by bee
i read . . .
this bit about the Ghaziabad municipal council installing mirrors on walls to deter disgusting men from peeing on them. This post is like a mirror - let the McNasties get a glimpse of themselves. I invite you to talk about your rude readers - what they do and say, and how they piss you off.
i believe . . .
the nonsense we have been reading in the comments form and e-mail by maybe 2% of our readers at Jugalbandi has truly made us appreciate the kindness and encouragement we receive from 98% of those who visit our site.
“Nonsense is to sense, as shade to light; it heightens effect” - Frederick Saunders.
Many have taken the extra effort to reach out to us personally and for them we are very grateful. This post is dedicated to the select few who act like overbearing relatives who invite themselves over and claim they are only trying to hellllp.
i refer to . . .
1. The "I want" types. They send us mail saying "I want a recipe for xyz." Or post a comment. Signed as Anonymous.
And I want a pony.
How about typing 'xyz' in Google? You'll get your recipe instantly. Google doesn't want to know who you are, or expect an introductory 'Hello'.
2. There are readers who make polite and constructive requests. Their opinions matter to us. They attempt to build a relationship before giving feedback. And they do it respectfully.
They don't just show up one day to proffer 'advice'.
The latter are the "You should" types. "You should write a post on abc." "You should write only food posts to get more traffic."
Really? Do you walk into strange people's homes and tell them they should change their drapes?
3. Is your recipe authentic?
We don't know if it's authentic, and we don't care. We don't even know what 'authentic' stands for.
4. Please stop talking about xyz, shut up and get back to the kitchen.
That's from HERE. The only way some folks can deal with cognitive dissonance is to ask others to 'shut up' in their own space - while they are sitting in a corporate office in Chennai and blog hopping during office hours.
5. The types who want you to think and make decisions for them. And want you to feel privileged for the opportunity to do so. Earth-shattering decisions like "Can I use potatoes instead of sweet potatoes in this dish??"
They are not just thinking aloud. They expect you to respond.
I mean, they really want you to say, "Sure, please use potatoes. The potato farmers will be grateful to you."
You post a pic with blueberries, and they ask: "What is the Bengali word for blueberries?"
They assume you know Bengali. If you don't, they assume you'll find out the Bengali word for blueberries. Just for them.
We have never once indicated that we are Bengali or know a word of Bengali.
Here's the deal.
You find out the Lithuanian words for "stupid" and "lazy". Then I'll make up a Bengali word for 'blueberries'.
Try ignoring them. If you don't respond to their comment, they will send you an e-mail, quivering lip and all, pointing out how they left you a comment in your post or an e-mail two days ago.
So what, again, is the Bengali word for blueberries? They can't sleep until they find out, and the cure to insomnia has to be delivered through your inbox.
They don't want the Bengali word for blueberries. They just want to piss you off.
Like this bloke from Turkey who wanted us to deliver a wholesale order for yogurt starter.
But we don't sell dried yogurt starter.
"But I want you to send me a consignment. Here's my company address."
Sorry sir, we don't sell dried yogurt starter.
"But I need a consignment of dried yogurt starter."
Sorry sir, we don't sell dried yogurt starter.
"But I need a consignment of dried yogurt starter and you said you use dried yogurt starter."
I use dried yogurt starter. I do not sell dried yogurt starter.
"But I need a consignment of dried yogurt starter."
And I need to report you as spam though your address and company are legit.
We blog for our pleasure. Some readers seem to lose sight of that.
There seems to be the belief that since the blog is a public forum, people can express themselves freely. True, but the comments form is not a carte blanche for encroaching personal boundaries. That's like some Shiv Sena politician in Bombay stating that women who wear revealing clothes are asking to be raped.
It doesn't matter what someone wears. The fact is touching another person without his/her consent is a violation.
i wonder . . .
why people take liberties on my blog that they wouldn't take in my home. Is it because they can be relatively anonymous online, and therefore can get away with things they couldn't get away with in a personal interaction?
Why do people leave comments and send emails as 'Anonymous' when they can use pseudonyms and do not have to reveal their identities? I don't have a problem with comments posted as 'Anonymous' as long as I am not expected to respond. I do have a problem with people sending e-mails as 'Anonymous', and asking rude, intrusive questions while seeking to be 'Anonymous'.
And it's no coincidence that the McNasties mostly operate as 'Anonymous'.
This site posts their e-mails for all to see. They are two teachers who run a site on a pretty non-controversial topic. They post information on insects, drawing upon their deep knowledge of the subject. It's interesting to see how many McNasties they get, and how often.
Describe the McNasities on your blog. How do they piss you off? How do you deal with them?
Friday, March 21, 2008
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I got an email from someone the other day saying...... "I am abc from xyz and I am interested to take up franchise of your cafe. Please send me the details."
And I am like!!?? what!?
The worst are.... when they start advising you to do this and do that.
I've been lucky and have not had any rude comments yet.I have seen the comments/challenges on other blogs. However the email I set up keeps getting spam from some Eastern European girl looking for a sugar daddy. Thats annoying.I guess thats the price we have to pay for having a hobby thats open for all to view.Most of us are not experts and dont claim to be, we just do this for fun.
"Delete Permanently" has been used on our blogs, a few times, actually. People don't seem to understand that blogging has real people attached to the other end, somehow.
There was one, actually, that I dredged out the weblogs for & tracked down the IP address, so that I could hopefully identify the person by name. I never did, but I did figure out that they were pretty much a one-off visitor. I've tracked people a couple of different times, and have concluded that the majority of those who post rude comments really don't visit all that often, and don't tend to come back.
So, I regard the weirdos as just anomalous, and delete them permanently, particularly as they tend to hide behind 'anonymous.'
I've only had one commentator that I would stick in this category. They insisted that in my post I didn't know what I was talking about, and should have done better research because "one can't make [ ] this way.." I didn't mind what was said, but the tone> was a bit abrasive. after a few days I responded by saying "thank you...and would you please be kind enough to leave some links to references to support your statements? I and my readers would find it interesting..." I would have liked to have said more...but why should I make myself look bad with an emotional outburst? I won't; it's simply not worth the trouble. And that person has never visited again.
I dearly love all of my other regulars; I enjoy the feedback and look forward to it for every post.
I completely agree. It was sad to see the comment form on Mahanandi being closed, secondary to what sounds like a McNasties attack.
Me, I just want to apologize for wondering if you were going to make curd rice! I didn't really mean it! It was a rhetorical question!!
I have a baby blog, and haven't had any nasty comments so far. If they did, I would probably try to ignore them, spend a lot of time ruminating how people can be so rude, and eat a lot of Nexium.
thank you all for your feedback. coffee, i was about to ask you the same question. :D
neha,i love hearing from you, so you can keep wondering about curd rice. :)
Am on a break but coudn't help popping up here.
Is that bad ;-)
I do dislike when ppl comment Annonymous.
I have to adlit till now i have not had any trouble, but then i think ppl use jugalbandi as Wilki :-)))
They might be saying well idon't know something, i will ask the jugalbandi duo :-))
I too have seen some rude comments in otherblogs ( cowards as they don't give their name) and when i read thel I am like how can they write comments so rude
Good God!!! you GOT to be kidding... or so i thought till I actually went to jugalbandi and read that really nasty comment. Hats off to you Bee, I'd probably have done something as juvenile as tracking an IP address, whether it helped or not!
"why people take liberties on my blog that they wouldn't take in my home."
what makes you think that the same person wouldn't tell you exactly what they think of everything starting from the angle at which the sun shines into your window, or the exact way you should arrange your bric-a-brac?
I have never had bad comments or rude remarks on my blog, but your article makes me think that maybe I have offended someone unknowingly. If I have, please accept my apologies.
Humor is a funny thing - a lot can go wrong from the speakers mouth to the receivers ear.
Yeah some are really rude - the 'I know it all types so u need to shut up' kind. I am amazed at that..U have the right to express your opinion but not the right to be "rude". I have 2 encounters ...both of them mails....
One mail was from fellow contestant for an event where you are paired with another and u have cook something from each others blog. I did and actually sent a comment to the person thanking for the recipe and that I have done so and so for the event..this person seemed to have forgotton abt the contest and so dint make anything from mine till almost the last day..
I reminded saying that u still have a day to go and this person in the most obnoxious manner told me that she couldnt find any "vegetarian recipes" good enough for her to cook! MY site is Vegetarian for god's sake....she also "gently" reminded me that she has HUGE readership and cant jus make some random recipe.....I wud have thought saying 'OMG..i forgot abt the contest..and it is so late for me to make something this time' would have been a better answer!
There was also another "sweet" mail from some person I dont even know "helping me with their advise" abt How I need help with my spellings! There are ways to talk and express ur views..a simple way wud have been..Hey hi..came across this recipe..."my views" on recipe...I found so and so misspelt words..cud u change it etc..something like that..Not like "I think U need help with your spelling!"
Gues I ranted lots! But seriously such ppl with attitude irritates me to no extent!
dear nina, welcome to FMMN. dk, did you set up a blogspot account for the person who wants to correct your spelling? she could've started her on spelling blog, y'know?
I never knew that the blogosphere has such a dark side, until reading this post. In general I'm a very sensitive, cry for anything and everything person, hope I will be able to handle such rudeness with a brave face.
You know there's a saying that familiarity breathes contempt? That is what comes to mind when I think of the rude comments.
Personally, I don't think that I'd categorize any of the comments that I have received as rude and that is comments on the blog or via email but then I re-read this post and the comments left here and more recently, this post from Food Blod S'cool: http://foodblogscool.blogspot.com/2008/04/answering-questions-from-some-new.html and realized that I have received rude emails but they were from non-blog people and if I have to be honest, they were from my own country-folks. However, the truth is that I receive an overwhelming number of good-will comments and emails that the rude ones I shurg off.
i guess nasty comments come because people are jealous...somehow if they say something that might reflect poor light....they may feel better about their own (lack of)talent....insecure too.....
I've always responded at length to those 'have you got a recipe for xyz' e-mails. I think I'm just eager a bit of a geek. I set myself up for a fall though as when they don't reply after I gave them lots of ideas, I get pissed off! A simple thank you.....
Guess that's my own fault really...
What a great topic! And I always thought it was just me.
I'm very lucky. 99.9% of my readers are just fantastic. Even those who disagree with me usually do so in a respectful matter, which I in turn, respect. But every once in a while, the "I want" and "I should" types comment or email me. I usually just laugh them off.
The one incident that stands out in my mind for some reason--even though it is not the rudest happened a few months ago. After I posted a photo of jellyfish lamps in an article about Playa del Carmen, Mexico, a woman emailed me and demanded a speedy response. No "hello." No "please." She just said I "needed" to get back to her immediately about where to buy the lamps in Cancun (even though--duh--the article was about Playa del Carmen!) and that she was leaving in two hours. Guess she didn't have time to say "please."
Good manners will always get you farther than no manners. I wonder if she ever found those lamps in Cancun? ;)
On another note--the people who do say rude things usually sign in as anonymous--they usually lack the guts to sign their names or leave a trail.
99.999% of my readers are great. I don't receive that many emails actually, but most of them are great too. I have had a couple of obnoxius anonymous commenters and I responded to them, but they tend not to come back.
I've had some spam comments that I delete and some publicity seeking comments that I deleted or I "edited" by keeping the fake nice comment and deleting the commercial link that went with it.
i like your strategy with the fake nice comments, anali. :D
Thanks for this really interesting post. As I read, I became horrified: I definitely leave comments on people's post that end with a question (like, "I know there's only two of you and this is a huge recipe, how do you handle the leftovers?") or musings about substitutes. I never thought that these could be taken as offensive; I guess because that's how I make conversation in real life (showing interest by asking follow up questions). Now I feel all nervous!
I do think that everything comes down to the tone. The simplest statement will come seem "off" if there's attitude behind it.
My story was similar to your temple commentor (UGH, by the way). I guess religion brings that out in people. We gave up meat for Lent, not only for religious ritual reasons but to try to eat vegetarian, be creative, seasonal, and just generally more conscious of our food consumption. Towards the end of Lent, somewhat burned out, I wrote a post about what we'd learned from the experience and minimized the religious aspects (it's a food blog, after all). Some Anonymous jerk posted a comment essentially saying that we had completely misunderstood the purpose of Lent, which is to become HUNGRY for our LORD, that GOD doesn't care if we eat meat or not so we should just eat whatever we want instead of obsessing over diet and losing sight of CHRIST (I put the words in all caps because the comment very much had that Evangelical street corner ring to it).
I deleted it. It upset me, and it's my blog. That's the beautiful thing -- you can completely silence these twerps.
HUGS. Thanks for sharing. Both the post and the continued comments are fascinating.
I guess with the kind of enormous traffic that you get and the kind of information you both research, it might seem to some people that you are just there for them to be asking questions - like a kind of info ATM?! LOL!
As Cynthia said, "familiarity breeds contempt".
I have got a few nasty comments - fretted a bit about it and then thought, well it comes with the territory - that's what the delete button is and then shrugged it off.Must be much harder when its more than a few and the tone becomes venomous (can't believe that comment on the Puri story!!)
One of the people who posted said that he/she didnt know what the whole fuss about the dish was by other commenters, but that *he/she* thought it looked terrible!! When I clicked on the link - voila! private blog! so you can dish it out but cant take it?!
I had a good laugh at the "I want a pony" story. I do think people take liberties they wouldn't online... just how they do stupid things in groups they wouldn't do alone. I'm sure this is sociology lecture I didn't quite listen to a few years ago... :)
Love reading your thoughts!
dear neen,
thinking about it, i would love comments like the type you post: things that actually show an interest in the author instead of the usual 'nice post, nice pic' comments. as for the lent lecturer, i have concluded that there are a few evangelical trolls (all faiths have them) who are out there adjusting their halos and shoving thrir drivel down everyone's throat.
dear miri, maybe you need to write a post like this. we've stopped getting moronic e-mails. i guess we pissed some people off. lol.
thanks for dropping by, dear anne.
I recently blocked all anonymous comments. Too much negative energy! :-) Criticism/feedback/corrections are welcome but don't want that kind of negative/rude attitude!!
Remember that movie, Bambie in which Thumper's mom says to Thumper?
"IF YOU CAN'T SAY SOMETHING NICE, DON'T SAY NOTHING AT ALL."
:-)
I wish Anonymous knew this great quote!!:-)
Loved your post, Bee!
Sorry sir, we don't sell dried yogurt starter.
"But I need a consignment of dried yogurt starter."
LOL ! What a great post ! So far I have only had a couple of odd comments, I just delete.
Amen, sister! I posted a photo on my blog of me holding a glass and someone wrote that I had "fat hands." A post on a smoothie started a comment war about how my whole family is going to get Type 2 Diabetes and how I'm "an idiot!" for drinking dairy.
On a blog, it's not familiarity, but rather anonymity breeds contempt.
Hey Bee...I read this post today...and
I must say I get these atleast one in a week. Its so difficult to manage such comments. Now my strategy would be not to reply to any such comments. If they are rude, I will just delete them (its very easy to say and difficult to manage). I had thought of making my blog private, but then decided against it.
we got a few comments while we weren't blogging in between for a while.
two of them wanted to puke at what we'd cooked (incidentally both were brinjal dishes)
one of them had signed off as one of my friends (even leaving the link to her blog) - this person apparently fell very sick after trying out a few of our recipes - and that she's was quitting work to undertake a world tour with her boyfriend.
such comments we delete.
and then we keep get about one or two comments in a month on how iyengar recipes should not include onions or garlic and the rest of the blah
such comments we ignore. but they can be very irritating even if its for a minute. may be we should do a post - well we're proud of our culinary heritage but we're not here to define rights and wrongs for the entire human race!!
Hi Bee,
Thanks for visiting my blog. I totally agree with you on this post. I'm so tired of people who are too lazy to use my search bar. They email me to say they just found my blog and don't have time to read through my archives but do I have a recipe for xyz. It's on the blog, if they simply searched for it, it'd come up. Argh! Or people who demand to know personal information that I've already said I don't give out. Or people who ask all these questions and after I send a pretty detailed reply, they don't bother saying thank you. Huh!
But those type of people are the exception. By far most people I've met through blogging are very, very nice.
My first time here Bee, i did not know u guys had such a wonderful place! :-)
Hey i had this guy write to me from africa for a consignment of maggi masala! he wanted me to bulk ship them to him! Go figure!
And i've had those McNasties once in a while at my site too. Soemtimes they piss me off! sometimes i just ignore :-)
Whihc pisses them off, cause most often thye expect me to respond :-)
Im raeding backwards so pls forgive me for the late comment.
This has got to be the funniest post so far! I laugh so hard tht my head aches. lol.
Sob!!! I hardly get that many visitors at my site and NONE to put in such absurd idiotic comments as your 'madhumita'!! Oh to have some one like her 'entertain me at every post I write!! *Sigh*
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